Meat, Pie, and The Silence of the Lambs: Taking One for the Team


Meat, Pie, and The Silence of the Lambs: Taking One for the TeamTaking one for the team… Being a sacrificial lamb. Supposedly no one does it, at least outwardly they say they don't, but it seems to be one of those dirty little lifestyle secrets that happens more commonly than I’d think. Maybe it is not a regular occurrence with every couple or individual, but it certainly happens. The four-way connection definitely can be elusive- and sometimes more elusive than finding a unicorn, in my opinion. Often, one person (or two or three, maybe even all four), will walk away from an experience feeling less than stellar about it and like they sacrificed themselves for the greater good.

In my opinion, gender seems to play a role when it comes to the notion of throwing yourself on the proverbial sword in order to have an “experience.” I've talked to MANY women who have said that they've gone through with a situation/person/people that they weren't entirely feeling good about, but I've heard very few men echo this sentiment. Maybe women are just pickier than men in general, maybe it is because women are sometimes less confrontational and don't want to rock the boat, maybe it is because women often tend to be pleasers. Maybe it is because I'm a woman and talk to more women about this. Whatever the case, you hardly hear of men feeling as though they have taken one for the team.

I’ve certainly fallen into the trap of martyrdom in both my unicorn experiences and in my experiences with Potential Stallion (PS). I definitely did not intend or want to be a sacrificial lamb, certainly not for PS, and not for myself either, compromising what I truly desired (or didn't want) just for the sake of sex.

What usually happens is that I find the woman amazingly hot (which if I was with PS, meant that he would too, as I was definitely the more selective one). I’d want to be with her, but I'd often be less attracted to the man and unfortunately they were a package deal. I can theorize all day about hot women with not-so-hot men, but I guess that is for another time.
Sometimes, I decide it's not worth it and pass, but usually I find myself doing a mental algorithm of her hotness vs his unattractiveness, weighing in personality, and potential for fun. Sometimes, it surprisingly works out, and the sum balance ends up being mostly worth it, and I walk away thinking, “wow, that actually turned out to be a good experience.” Unfortunately, much too often, in the midst of things, I realize I've made a grave miscalculation, but it's too late to back out and I’m forced to complete the task.

In best case scenarios, this can be negotiated upfront (girl-girl only, then we play with our own partners, is that okay?), but often I've found myself in the thick of things and it seems rude to decline the meat offering, at least in some form, especially if I genuinely like both people and their personalities. So to avoid hurt feelings and awkward conversations, I often suck it up (pun intended).

It's funny, I don't find myself doing this in the reverse. If I’m presented with the converse situation- where I’m not attracted to the woman, even if the man is hot, I'm far less likely to even entertain it as an option. Maybe it's because I think of beautiful girls as a rare and special treat, especially since when I am getting at least somewhat consistent and good heterosexual sex. When you have meat at home, the offer of a hot dog isn't all that exciting, but a slice of delicious pie? Yes, please! Oh, I also have to endure this hot dog in order to get my pie?? Sigh… Pass the ketchup, I suppose…

Of course, martyrdom comes at a price, so even if the experience with the woman is amazing, and even if the sex act (whatever that may entail) itself is good enough with the guy, if I am not attracted to them both, the total experience becomes less than fantastic. That’s when my brain starts buzzing and those lambs start screaming, so to speak. There's only so much closing my eyes and pretending I'm with Boris Kodjoe I can do, unfortunately. Seriously, can I please have a nice juicy steak with my pie every now and then?!

So what's the answer? I don't know that there is an easy one. The “right” answer is to speak up, say what you want, set boundaries that make you comfortable. Walk away if you're not totally feeling it. But unfortunately, the right answer isn't the easiest one, especially when you are dealing with someone else's ego, feelings, and emotions. And in the case of PS, if he was chomping at the bit, I didn't want to be the party pooper all the time. Besides, I'm sure I wouldn't like to be the one who gets told that they will be left out of play. The good couples, the ones who “get it” and who are committed to each other’s happiness, allow for veto power (which usually will be used by the woman). I heard one couple say that their code word for “nope, it’s not happening” is to reference a movie with Danny Devito, which I found hilarious!  “Hey, have you seen Twins? Danny DeVETO was awesome in it, wasn’t he?”

Is the alternative- just going with it- better? It is easier, yes, but certainly less fun, at least for me.  It is hard for me to balance my “pleaser” personality with the side that gives myself permission to only partake in experiences that I REALLY want.  And I do have this weird fear of being seen as “less than” a swinger because I partake so infrequently.

Perhaps if taking one for the team (even if it is “team me”) is just an occasional thing, and doesn't happen regularly, it can be tolerated? I don’t know. I guess so long as the lambs don't scream all the time, and I get a steak every now and then with my pie. But I don't know, silencing those lambs seems like a better option now.


Devin has navigated her way through the lifestyle as both a married and single woman. She seeks to quiet the slut-shaming voices in her head, be present in the moment, and push her boundaries, all in the throes of friendship, community, relationships, and love... With a little submission for good measure.


  1. Ardent Follower on

    Another great article.

    We’ve been in the lifestyle for a couple of years now and there have been a few situations where I felt maybe I was the ‘Not quite as Hot’ partner of an extremely beautiful woman. So, I’m sensitive to this topic and felt compelled to contribute. Beware, I’m wordy.

    In the beginning, it seemed that we did have some experiences that were rushed or ‘allowed’ simply because we were trying to see what the LS was all about. Both of us went against our gut and had experiences with people that may not have been what we’d previously considered our type. But, we entered the LS for US. Knowing we were going to reconnect and share our feelings afterward excited us. We were learning our way and, as we progressed, it felt that some of these less intimidating couples allowed us some freedoms that others may not have. We could come out of our shells a bit, act more confident, worry less about body image or judgement – just be ourselves. Something, in the beginning, we felt was almost impossible with the very attractive couples that we felt we had to over impress, or look less ‘new’ for.

    As we moved through our own issues, goals and new ‘bucket-list options’, we started to slow down and seek more relationship connections than the ‘perfect visible package’. We wanted friends first. Play may come as a bonus some random night when the stars align, but we want to share this experience with people who care about us – and vice versa. The blind date hook-ups are no longer on the table for us. Not an impossibility, but rare – by choice.

    I took the long way to get to my point, I apologize. But, it’s that we’ve now surrounded ourselves with some wonderful people. Some as amazing on the outside as they all are within – but all attractive in their own way. Some aren’t, at first glance, our first choices. But we’re so connected to them all that any experience is going to be positive – because we all really ‘like’ each other. It would be shallow for us to have a conversation about taking one for the team in this environment because we’re all close friends.

    I guess my suggestion is that you shouldn’t ever do something that won’t make you happy. We’ve had some play experiences where we both laugh and chalk it up to ‘things we’ll do differently next time’. But we don’t set the bar so high as to think every experience has to be mind blowing. That’s what we have each other for. If we care about the friends were spending time with, we just enjoy trying to make them feel good – make them feel important, sexy…just how we want to feel. You can’t be ‘taking one for the team’ if you’re immersed in a fun, sexy, sometimes hilarious situation with a close friend.

  2. Thanks for making me laugh a lot, even through a pretty tumultuous LS subject. Love the Twins reference….our stop word is Pineapple! A tough one if we are playing in the tropics at a LS resort…”Would you like another pineapple and Grey Goose?” “Why yes I would honey, thanks!” No no no, I wasn’t really asking to refill your cocktail!

    Hubs and I are approaching 17 years of marriage and 10 in the LS. We both have taken one for the team, mostly early on in playing.(“What, you didn’t like him? I didn’t care for her but I thought you were really into him!” “Are you serious!?!” “So we both took one for the team and didn’t even know it?!”) Typically we found our senses of humor, honed our communication skills “in the moment” and gales of laughter ensued– and we learned a valuable lesson.

    Where are we now? Honestly, it depends on the circumstance. If I’m truly not attracted to the man even if we are both really hot for the lady, we don’t play on that level. It just isn’t satisfying and at the end of the day, we are in the LS to make sexy memories we can later fantasize about, adding to the already mind-blowing sex we have together. Resentments don’t add anything yummy to our sex life or overall relationship with each other. If it ain’t happening for both of us, we gracefully and graciously extract ourself from the situation.

    I agree that for mem it’s typucalky different. They are simple creatures, let’s be honest, and if the woman of the other couple gives their dicks a twitch, they’re on board for some play time! (This is my experience anyway!) For us gals, there’s a more esoteric connection that needs to happen. Aside from physical attraction, I’ve realised I have to feel safe. I always feel safe with hubs, but not necessarily with the other stallion. It’s a sixth sense thing and red flags sometimes go up for no other reason than I’m getting a red flag. Hubs honors those senses and no harm is done if I say we need to walk away. I also need to feel that the couple we are playing with really is happy and in it together. Lordy, ladies, how many times have the other couple given proper lip service and verbalized all the right things, with the end result of the other woman having a private or not so private hissy fit post-coitally?! Save me from screwed up LS couples!!

    Thanks for the great blog and letting me voice my views!

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